Jerod is joined by Carson Gross, the creator of htmx –a small, zero-dependency JavaScript library that he says, "completes HTML as a hypertext". Carson built it because he's big on hypermedia, he even wrote a book called Hypermedia Systems. Carson has a lot of strong opinions weakly held that we dive into in this conve...

In this episode of The Tech Trek, Amir sits down with Matt Moore, CTO and co-founder of Chainguard, to explore the escalating importance of software supply chain security. From Chainguard’s origin story at Google to the systemic risks enterprises face when consuming open source, Matt shares the lessons, best practices, and technical innovations that help make open source software safer and more reliable. The conversation also touches on AI’s impact on the attack surface, mitigating threats with engineering rigor, and why avoiding long-lived credentials could be your best defense.🔑 Key Takeaways:Security Starts with Engineering: Doing engineering right makes security (and even compliance) much easier.Control the Full Chain: Building from source and applying best practices at every build stage significantly reduces exposure to CVEs.Attackers Exploit the Edges: Most attacks start small—with a leaked credential or compromised dependency—and cascade through the ecosystem.AI Introduces New Vectors: As AI tools integrate deeper into dev workflows, they bring both value and new risks that require thoughtful containment.You Can’t Leak What You Don’t Have: Eliminating long-lived credentials is one of the simplest and most effective ways to reduce breach risk.⏱ Timestamped Highlights:00:45 – What Chainguard does: securing open source consumption and curating safe containers.02:56 – Chainguard’s origin story and co-founders’ experience at Google.06:50 – Building minimal, hardened container images from source to mitigate CVEs.09:40 – Real-world example: how compiler hardening flags protected Chainguard from a high-severity CVE.10:59 – The invisible sprawl of open source in enterprise stacks—from Kubernetes to AWS SDKs.15:45 – How leaked credentials power cascading supply chain attacks.22:30 – “You can't leak what you don't have”: Chainguard's credential-less auth approach.24:30 – Most breaches come from known vulnerabilities—not zero-days.25:38 – AI and security: new use cases, new threats, and the need for explainability.30:41 – AI adoption in enterprises: security best practices still apply, just to new tools and risks.34:43 – Learn more at chainguard.dev and explore hardened images at images.chainguard.dev.💼 Career Tips (from the episode):Don’t wait for zero-days: Most real-world breaches stem from unpatched, well-known vulnerabilities. Ship secure, stay patched.Build from source: If you're in a security or DevOps role, aim to build and control your stack from the source code up—this provides auditability and trust.Engineering rigor is a differentiator: Whether you're launching a startup or working in enterprise tech, applying fundamental engineering principles helps you scale securely.📚 Resources Mentioned:🛡️ OpenSSF Projects – e.g., SIGstore, Scorecards, SLSA.🛠 Projects Mentioned: Kubernetes, Istio, Flux, Tekton, Cert-Manager, Cloud Code.💬 Quote of the Episode:“If you do engineering right, security becomes easier. And if you do security right, compliance becomes easier.” — Matt Moore

Utpal Nadiger is the cofounder of Digger.dev. Digger built a popular open source IaC orchestration tool. Their new product Infrabase is an AI DevOps agent that ...

In this episode, Michael Lieberman, Co-founder and CTO of Kusari, walks us through the intersection of open source software and security. We discuss Mike's extensive involvement in OpenSSF projects like SLSA and GUAC, which provide essential frameworks for securing the software development life cycle (SDLC) and managing software supply chains. He explains how these tools help verify software provenance and manage vulnerabilities. Additionally, we explore regulatory concerns such as the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and the vital role of the recently released Open SSF Security Baseline (OSPS Baseline) in helping organizations comply with such regulations. Mike also shares insights into the evolution of open source security practices, the importance of reducing complexity for developers, and the potential benefits of orchestrating security similarly to Kubernetes. We conclude with a look at upcoming projects and current pilots aiming to simplify and enhance open source security.   00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:19 Mike's Background and Role in Open Source 01:35 Exploring SLSA and GUAC Projects 04:57 Cyber Resiliency Act Overview 06:54 OpenSSF Security Baseline 11:29 Encouraging Community Involvement 18:39 Final Thoughts   Resources: OpenSSF's OSPS Baseline GUAC SLSA KubeCon Keynote: Cutting Through the Fog: Clarifying CRA Compliance in C... Eddie Knight & Michael Lieberman   Guest: Michael Lieberman is co-founder and CTO of Kusari where he helps build transparency and security in the software supply chain. Michael is an active member of the open-source community, co-creating the GUAC and FRSCA projects and co-leading the CNCF’s Secure Software Factory Reference Architecture whitepaper. He is an elected member of the OpenSSF Governing Board and Technical Advisory Council along with CNCF TAG Security Lead and an SLSA steering committee member.  

Deepak Prabhakara is the CEO and Co-founder of BoxyHQ. BoxyHQ enables you to add plug-and-play enterprise-ready features to your SaaS product.What we coverAn in...

Thomas DePierre joins Open Source Security to discuss the central idea from his blog post, "You are all on the hobbyist maintainers turf now," exploring the massive disconnect between the corporate world that consumes open source and the hobbyist community that actually produces it. The conversation reveals this isn't a new problem, but a long-standing reality whose consequences for security, stability, and the future of software we are only now beginning to truly confront. The show notes and blog post for this episode can be found at

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Listen to Scott & Mark Learn To... How Not to Ship the Org Chart from Scott & Mark Learn To.... In this episode of Scott & Mark Learn To, Scott Hanselman and Mark Russinovich discuss the concept of shipping the org chart, a term used to describe when different teams' outputs are inconsistently integrated, reflecting the organizational structure rather than a cohesive product. Scott recounts his experience test-driving an electric vehicle with a disjointed interface, which made him question the internal coordination within the automaker. Mark explains how Microsoft addresses this issue through standardization and tooling, emphasizing the need for consistent APIs and user experiences. They also debate the balance between maintaining consistency and fostering innovation, and how large tech companies like Microsoft and Apple manage these challenges.   Takeaways:    Establishing UX design standards helps maintain a consistent user experience across features Inconsistent design or functionality can impact user perception and trust in a product Integrating quality checks early (shift left) helps prevent issues and reduces later fixes    Who are they?     View Scott Hanselman on LinkedIn  View Mark Russinovich on LinkedIn          Listen to other episodes at scottandmarklearn.to  Watch Scott and Mark Learn on YouTube         Discover and follow other Microsoft podcasts at microsoft.com/podcasts   Download the Transcript